Will Byers

In the scene in S4 at Rink-o-mania, it takes place on March 22... WHICH IS WILL'S BIRTHDAY?!!?

Did the Duffers just FORGET, or was that on PURPOSE, because that's just sad....

How could Joyce forget her son's birthday!! At least someone should have pointed that out!

Did anyone else notice this???

It makes me so sad!!!

• What Soteria really is

• What happened to the empty, dead vine-filled tunnels

• Whether Kali looked for Eleven again or not

• What happened to the dead Demodog in Joyce's fridge

• Why the Upside Down is stuck in 1983

• What happened to Dr. Owens

• What happened to Yuri and Dmitri

• How much about the Upside Down Murray really knows

• Whether the Soviets have stopped meddling with the Upside Down or not

• What happened to the base underneath Starcourt Mall

• How they covered up all the deaths of the Flayed when people clearly saw many of them at the Independence Day fair, not at Starcourt Mall

• How they're going to explain Hopper's return

• How oblivious Karen Wheeler really is

• Will's connection the Upside Down beyond his abduction and possession

• What happened to all the dead bodies of the Demodogs at Hawkins Lab

• Why Becky Ives didn't search for Eleven in Hawkins after she left

Personally I don’t really like either. Eleven kind of needs to explore and even if she and Mike are endgame, they basically started dating before she even understood the world, before she could talk properly, before she went to school. I know they are the same age, but it was almost like she was a young child. In Season 1, Mike liked her, but she - having not even been around other kids for a long time - didn’t really understand what was happening. Even when Mike suggests living together and going to the Snowball, she thinks he means like siblings. She doesn’t understand and was kind of forced with Mike. Maybe she actually has those feelings, but she hasn’t had the chance to figure it out. By season 4, I think it’s totally fine for them to date. I just think that El should have more chance to explore options before committing to one person.

As for Byler, Will is so much better than Mike and deserves better. Will deserves a guy that will treat him right. Even if Mike likes Will, he’s not mature enough for Eleven or Will. I think there are so little queer characters that people are scraping together ships and want Will to be happy with the person he likes, but realistically he deserves better than Mike. It’s also kind of weird because their siblings (Nancy and Jonathan) are dating, and even if Nancy ends up with Steve, it’s still a little weird.

In conclusion, Eleven is a 15-year-old who spent 12 years in a lab and is therefore traumatised, sheltered and needs to explore her options and grow to understand the world before considering dating. Will is amazing and deserves a guy better than Mike. If they end up together he shouldn’t have to put up with Mike’s immaturity just because he doesn’t have another guy.

PSA, if the person you like and are dating is an idiot and disrespectful, you are better with no one than with them.

I still love Mike though, but he needs to go to therapy before dating. The only relationship he can compare his to is his parents and that’s… interesting…

I feel like people ship these because that’s the romances in the story and there aren’t really other alternative love interests. Whereas in real life, there are hundreds of fish in the sea. In Will’s case, there probably aren’t many openly gay people for him to date, and that sucks, but he shouldn’t resort to Mike.

Note- I have tried to make this post as neutral as possible without picking sides. As you might infer from my username, I am a Byler shipper however I have taken some help from some of my Mileven friends in order to gather evidence for their ship. Please do not start a fight and be kind. This is purely my opinion and it’s ok if you have others.

1.In favour of a Mileven endgame-

Why would the Duffers make a traumatised boy like his best friend for 2 seasons only for a Mileven endgame?

Here are my points-

I) The Duffers have emphasised on the fact that Will is going to be a major part of season 5 (finally). Going along with the path that they have chosen for the last few seasons, it would be plausible for Will’s storyline to consist of lot of angst and drama this season.

With many suspecting the connection between Vecna and Will might be greater for the finale, it would make sense for him to torment Will about his insecurities about Mike. This will probably be made greater given the fact that Eleven and Mike date again.

This might also release some inner anger from Will and give way to a possible villain arc. Will could team up with Vecna, since it had been hinted in Season 4 that Will and Vecna had a lot of similarities as a child. Mileven happening could be an awakening to a villain arc and unleash a lot of possible character development.

As for Mike, we might see him in the final season trying to figure out his feelings for Eleven. While he couldn’t say ‘love’ in the majority of season 4 to Eleven, it could be interesting for him to figure out himself and find the inner meaning of the word.

Also, the Duffers have said that they would focus on the plot this season. They said that they wanted to reduce screen time and really focus on the original aspects of stranger things. This could mean that they can’t give enough screen time to two love triangles (Stancy, Jancy and Byler,Mileven). So they just might go with the easier route and make Mileven endgame in order to cut screen time.

However, even if Mileven is made to be endgame, I do think that Will will have a sort of confession scene to Mike. Mike can either choose to accept the feelings or he could reject the feelings for Will to grow depressed again.

Do I think that Mileven could be endgame? Maybe? If set right by the Duffers, it could be a satisfying ending to the series. Even though I do prefer Byler, I am going to be alright if Mileven is made endgame.

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This is in favour of a Byler endgame-

Why would the Duffers make Mileven a canon ship for 4 seasons only for Byler to be endgame?

Here are my points-

One of the main reasons why fans love the show so much is because we get to see characters grow and develop into mature human beings. For example, in season 4, we saw Max trying to cope up with the fact that Billy is dead.

With that in mind, it would make sense for the final season to conclude with Eleven figuring out who she really is as a person.

In season 3, Eleven didn’t know that she could have her own preferences and like whatever she wants to. She didn’t know that she could choose and like her own clothes, nevertheless that she could like the boy that she wanted.

Max was the person who showed Eleven how to live a life without boys. She also looked a little bit free and happier with her surroundings after she broke up with Mike in season 3. Mike also doesn’t seem to treat Eleven the way that she wants him too.

As for Mike, it’s evident that he doesn’t really know how to reciprocate his feelings for Eleven. After seeing his parents, he knows the impact of the word ‘love’ and he doesn’t really know if he’s ready to tell Eleven that yet. With the whole show being set in the 80’s, it would be interesting to see how Mike would react to his feelings (if he has any) towards Will. Maybe an ally (Robin or Vickie) could help Mike figure out his feelings.

While I’m not saying that Mileven is toxic, it’s definitely good for both Mike and Eleven if they take a break from dating. Eleven definitely needs some time on her own to understand the world and find her independence before getting into a relationship. Mike needs some time to define his relationship towards Eleven and Will.

And I’m not saying that Byler is going to be any better. Will already has a broken heart due to seeing his best friend/crush replace him with a girl that he had known for one week. While his broken heart might be fixed if Byler happens, I kind of get the toxicity vibes from Mike( in a way ig?). But Mike definitely needs a person who he could depend on and that person could be Will.

I don’t think that Byler is going to be a full-blown relationship due to the restrictions in the 1980’s and screen time in Season 5. We probably would have a coming out scene where Will tells about his sexuality to few close people like Jonathan, Joyce and Hopper.

Do I think that Byler is going to be endgame? As much as I hate to admit it as a Byler shipper, the chances are pretty slim( 15%?). And then again I don’t think that Mileven is going to be endgame either. I think that the Duffers are going to make neither endgame.

Whatever the Duffers do though, I hope that they give a satisfactory ending to this wonderful series!

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What are your opinions on what ship is going to be endgame?

Well.. It's been over 2 years since I've been on this fandom and I've had this in my drafts for a long time so I just thought.... why not post it?

Note- I know that these are really "unagreeable" opinions but these are mine... feel free to have your own !!!

1.Jancy and Stancy both suck, but Jancy is slightly better- Both ships have their pros and cons and are both slightly toxic. However, in my opinion, Jancy is slightly better and has more chemistry. If it were up to me, I would make none of the ships endgame and make the three characters single for the final season.

2.Jason and Angela are highly overhated- Ok, I get it, Angela was super rude and has no mercy for Eleven. But at the end of the day, she is just one of the many school bullies present in the 80’s. She has no idea of how her bullying affects Eleven and how much trauma Eleven had faced. Sure, Eleven was treated unfairly and deserved better, but do you really think sending death threats to the actress that played Angela was a good option?

Jason was a pretty unlikeable character, however his actions were justified. Wouldn’t it be weird if your significant other died in somebody else’s house? And at night? I mean, maybe Jason shouldn’t have hunted down Eddie, however he did not know as much information that we know. He did not know about the upside down and Vecna. Jason also didn’t step on Max’s Walkman on purpose, and even if he did, he wouldn’t know the consequences. So let’s cut some slack from these characters.

3. Billy is highly overrated- Many people excuse Billy for his bad actions due to the fact that he got abused as a kid. But that doesn’t change the fact that he was racist, abusive and violent. At the end of the day, he was a really bad character who made some horrible mistakes.

If we take for example Johnathan, he was also abused as a child by his father Lonnie as a child. He also had to suffer with the pain of nearly losing his brother and with the pain of getting treated like an outsider. But Jonathan is the complete opposite of Billy. Jonathan is arguably way better and nicer.

So, because Billy was abused doesn’t change the fact that he was an evil character. But he did get his chance to redeem himself at the end of season 3, and he took it.

5. Suzies is not responsible for Billy’s death and Hopper's death’.- Literally I have no comments on this one…. I will forever be a Suzie fan!!

6. Bob and Joyce were better than Hopper and Joyce- Well… I already know that I’m gonna get hate for this.. I just love Bob and the actor tbh

7. Steve has a good arc... but he's overrated- Yep I already know that all the Steve stans are about to dox me but it's my opinion. I never really got the hype abt Steve and I don't think I will. IMO Jonathan was always better.

8. It isn't reasonable to connect the character with the actor/actress- Well I think we all know what I'm talking about..... I won't go in detail but I think that it's wrong to hate the characters for something that the actor did... just my opinion !!

I don't know why this has posted twice, probably due to my terrible Internet, pls ignore the other one

Eleven - 70% chance of death. In my opinion, it would be more poignant if she survived but she could very much make the ultimate sacrifice

Mike - 50%. Only way I see him dying is if vecna kills him to get to El, which I find unlikely

Will- 90%. I think he is connected to vecna and the only way to kill Vecna is for Will to die

Dustin - 10%. I think he is very safe

Lucas - 10%. Similarly to Dustin, he is very much safe

Max - 25%. They kept her alive for a reason, I highly doubt she will die again

Hopper - 25%. Similarly to Max, we already experienced his death so I don't think he will die

Joyce - 10%. I highly doubt her death at all

Steve - 50%. I think it might be too predictable and the Duffer's know this, so they may not kill him off. Still could go either way

Nancy - 25%. I could see her going down in a blaze of glory, but other than that, she is unlikely to die

Jonathan - 25%. If Vecna wanted to get to Will, he would kill Jonathan, other than that, I think he will more than likely make it out alive

Robin - 75%. I think she will die. It will get to Steve and make him more dangerous

Murray - 80%. I believe that now we are free of Russia, there is no need for our translator. I really can see him dying in the upside down to save Hopper and Joyce

Erica - 1%. Yeah she ain't dying.

Eleven - 70% chance of death. In my opinion, it would be more poignant if she survived but she could very much make the ultimate sacrifice

Mike - 50%. Only way I see him dying is if vecna kills him to get to El, which I find unlikely

Will- 90%. I think he is connected to vecna and the only way to kill Vecna is for Will to die

Dustin - 10%. I think he is very safe

Lucas - 10%. Similarly to Dustin, he is very much safe

Max - 25%. They kept her alive for a reason, I highly doubt she will die again

Hopper - 25%. Similarly to Max, we already experienced his death so I don't think he will die

Joyce - 10%. I highly doubt her death at all

Steve - 50%. I think it might be too predictable and the Duffer's know this, so they may not kill him off. Still could go either way

Nancy - 25%. I could see her going down in a blaze of glory, but other than that, she is unlikely to die

Jonathan - 25%. If Vecna wanted to get to Will, he would kill Jonathan, other than that, I think he will more than likely make it out alive

Robin - 75%. I think she will die. It will get to Steve and make him more dangerous

Murray - 80%. I believe that now we are free of Russia, there is no need for our translator. I really can see him dying in the upside down to save Hopper and Joyce

Erica - 1%. Yeah she ain't dying.

I thought I shack up my style and try this, What you guys think?

I could've done way better but I rushed it ☹ I still think its okay though.

What do you think her name would be and (optional) What would be her short story?

Mike:I love Mike so damn much he will always be one of my faves I do wish he had more personality other than I love eleven but overall he's a decent character

Dustin: LOVE Dustin to!!!!!! he's such a sweetheart but I was so mad when nobody believed him that he had a gf

Lucas: Lucas I honestly felt bad for in S1 when Mike was first getting obsessed with eleven but he and Max are so sweet together but maybe he needs to think before he does some things lol

WIll: I'm sorry but I really don't like will he has no personality other than poor little boy who got possessed I mean I know that sucks but still we didn't get more from him other than the entire possessed depressed traumatized little boy which upset me

Eleven: I love eleven just like anyone else but she was just kinda bratty and her and Mike were sweet and it was cool when she was herself and didn't only just be girl who loves mike but the entire "I dump your ass" was a bit much idk

Max: max is cool I don't have much opinion on her and I hope she wakes up :(

DOES ANYONE AGREE WITH ME :)

So, The polls have show there answers and here it is:

1. Its going to be a female

2. Brown/Hazel hair

3. Has baggy clothes

4. A part of The Party

I randomized skin color and hair type:

1. Tan

2. Wavy hair with bangs

For the randomized, if you have any other suggestions, feel free to comment

Or any other detail that you want to be added like for example: a specific pin on the shirt

Before writing this theory, prepare yourself for spoilers for "First Shadow". Those who know the plot of First Shadow know that Vecna, like Will, was a host of the Mind Flayer since childhood. And you know that Henry's blood type changed after he visited Dimension X. And the rest of the test children were created using Henry's blood DNA. Does this mean that all the children received a piece of the Mind Flayer? And if so, then Eleven and Eight, and Henry, and Will will have to die for the Mind Flayer to die. But we also need to destroy the entire Upside Down and the entire Dimension X, and all the inhabitants of these worlds, including the bulk of the Mind Flayer particles.