The Upside Down

First, the Mind Flayer has a global goal - the enslavement of the world, Vecna's primary goal is to take revenge on Eleven.

Second, Vecna, being an adult man, could not defeat 6-7 year old Jane. And he could not do this even when he was strengthened by the Upside Down and when he had a whole army of different spawns of Dimension X. The Mind Flayer honestly defeats Eleven in season 3 and almost defeats her in season 2. And after this, someone still thinks that the Mind Flayer serves Vecna ​​and that 001 is stronger than the Shadow Monster.

And third, the Mind Flayer is much more mysterious than Vecna, since we still do not know his history. Also, the Mind Flayer never says anything and he looks like something beyond human understanding. Personally, I found the image of the Shadow Monster more creepy than Vecna.

• What Soteria really is

• What happened to the empty, dead vine-filled tunnels

• Whether Kali looked for Eleven again or not

• What happened to the dead Demodog in Joyce's fridge

• Why the Upside Down is stuck in 1983

• What happened to Dr. Owens

• What happened to Yuri and Dmitri

• How much about the Upside Down Murray really knows

• Whether the Soviets have stopped meddling with the Upside Down or not

• What happened to the base underneath Starcourt Mall

• How they covered up all the deaths of the Flayed when people clearly saw many of them at the Independence Day fair, not at Starcourt Mall

• How they're going to explain Hopper's return

• How oblivious Karen Wheeler really is

• Will's connection the Upside Down beyond his abduction and possession

• What happened to all the dead bodies of the Demodogs at Hawkins Lab

• Why Becky Ives didn't search for Eleven in Hawkins after she left

We all know Season 5 is gonna be about Will and his journey, with flashbacks about his time in the upside down. We know this from the BTS photos. I have a theory regarding unreleased footage dating all the way back to S1 E1. If you go back and look at the still images that go with the episodes on Netflix (Tv not smart phone) they all include actual shots that are included in that episode, every one EXCEPT S1E1. When will is running away from the Demogorgon he just runs straight to the shed and slams the door behind him, he then waits for it to arrive with a shotgun. In the still image, he is standing outside it observing the glowing light from the shed in what seems like a calm manner. I believe this may be after he vanished along with the Demogorgon, and I think Vecna is subjecting him to a vision.

I don't know why this has posted twice, probably due to my terrible Internet, pls ignore the other one

Eleven - 70% chance of death. In my opinion, it would be more poignant if she survived but she could very much make the ultimate sacrifice

Mike - 50%. Only way I see him dying is if vecna kills him to get to El, which I find unlikely

Will- 90%. I think he is connected to vecna and the only way to kill Vecna is for Will to die

Dustin - 10%. I think he is very safe

Lucas - 10%. Similarly to Dustin, he is very much safe

Max - 25%. They kept her alive for a reason, I highly doubt she will die again

Hopper - 25%. Similarly to Max, we already experienced his death so I don't think he will die

Joyce - 10%. I highly doubt her death at all

Steve - 50%. I think it might be too predictable and the Duffer's know this, so they may not kill him off. Still could go either way

Nancy - 25%. I could see her going down in a blaze of glory, but other than that, she is unlikely to die

Jonathan - 25%. If Vecna wanted to get to Will, he would kill Jonathan, other than that, I think he will more than likely make it out alive

Robin - 75%. I think she will die. It will get to Steve and make him more dangerous

Murray - 80%. I believe that now we are free of Russia, there is no need for our translator. I really can see him dying in the upside down to save Hopper and Joyce

Erica - 1%. Yeah she ain't dying.

Eleven - 70% chance of death. In my opinion, it would be more poignant if she survived but she could very much make the ultimate sacrifice

Mike - 50%. Only way I see him dying is if vecna kills him to get to El, which I find unlikely

Will- 90%. I think he is connected to vecna and the only way to kill Vecna is for Will to die

Dustin - 10%. I think he is very safe

Lucas - 10%. Similarly to Dustin, he is very much safe

Max - 25%. They kept her alive for a reason, I highly doubt she will die again

Hopper - 25%. Similarly to Max, we already experienced his death so I don't think he will die

Joyce - 10%. I highly doubt her death at all

Steve - 50%. I think it might be too predictable and the Duffer's know this, so they may not kill him off. Still could go either way

Nancy - 25%. I could see her going down in a blaze of glory, but other than that, she is unlikely to die

Jonathan - 25%. If Vecna wanted to get to Will, he would kill Jonathan, other than that, I think he will more than likely make it out alive

Robin - 75%. I think she will die. It will get to Steve and make him more dangerous

Murray - 80%. I believe that now we are free of Russia, there is no need for our translator. I really can see him dying in the upside down to save Hopper and Joyce

Erica - 1%. Yeah she ain't dying.

My predictions for season 5 character groupings

Group 1

Mission: stop the upside down

Dustin

Steve

Nancy

Jonathan

Group 2

Mission: kill vecna

Hopper

Joyce

Murray

Robin

Eleven

Mike

Group 3

Mission: save max (come together with group 2 once done - ep 4/5)

Will (who I feel is able to go inside of Vecna's mind and thus can find Max

Lucas

Max

Kali (potentially)

Group 4

Mission: save Holly and prove they can be involved

Erica

Jake connelly's character

Holly Wheeler

Background group

Mission: stop the upside down

Linda Hamilton's character

Alex Breaux's character

Dr Owens

So, all of Vecna’s (plus Eddie) make up the breakfast club!

Popular girl: Chrissy

Jock: Patrick

Nerd: Fred

Loner: Max

Criminal: Eddie

Just like in the breakfast club, the show shows that everyone can have problems, it doesn’t matter how smart, athletic, popular, out of the loop of things, or bad, you are.

Me and @sexylady32 have a theory. We’ve thought long and hard about this. I’ll send you our planning. Watch this video from 2:27 and you’ll notice how Eddie talks abt ms odonnell and a marching army

https://youtu.be/WUT_cW_AAGk?si=cKFdJMO0fG2r_eP5

Ms odonnell is taking 3 months of teaching so we presume she is going to be in season 5!! Wow. She looks a lot like vecna so we’ve decided she will be vecna in s5!! So we think that MS O DONNELL IS VECNA WEARING A BIKINI 👙 THEY KILL MS O DONNELL

Joe Keery and natalie dyer were spot on set for stranger things 5 yesterday…seems like something serious between them

Hello, I am Tariel Osborne.

I am a noob to this wiki so hi.

I will probably rave a bunch abt this SUPER GOOD fanfic by Tabucci called Dark Phoenix: Into the Stranger-Verse so be warned.

One more thing: If any Mouth-breathers here say anything even remotely insulting to my fave murder-baby Laura, I will personally send you to the Upside Down don't try me.

Is there a probability of mind flayer's return in season 5 as the main villian after vecna

Hey, does anyone know if the casting for any speaking roles in season 5 is closed?

thank you