The Mind Flayer

I watched all of season 5 it was great their was a plot twist a big one when I found out will turned into vecna and saved his friends by killing the Demogorgons. I cant wait for the next episodes cause twin those episodes were good.

• Vecna did NOT make the Mind Flayer; he simply shaped it.

• Vecna and the Mind Flayer are SEPARATE entities.

• It is unclear which one controls the other; the show has led us to believe that Vecna controls the Mind Flayer, while the added context from the play (which is 100% canon, as confirmed by season 5) explicitly says that the Mind Flayer has more control over Vecna.

• The canyons in Camazotz, where Vecna is scared to enter, were the original place where he got transported to Dimension X and his blood got altered by the Mind Flayer particles. This is from the play.

PREDICTIONS

• Vecna sends a Demogorgon to abduct Holly from the Wheeler House

• The Demogorgon fatally wounds Karen

• Nancy and others arrive and get Karen to the hospital

• Karen dies at the hospital, Nancy washes Karen’s blood off her hands

• Kali Prasad/008 will return

• Dr. Owens will be under the custody of Dr. Kaye

• The final showdown will be in the Upside Down version of the Rainbow Room at Hawkins Lab

• Flashbacks/visions will include Barb, Bob, Billy, & Eddie

• Terry Ives will return

• Eleven will close the final gate to the Upside Down

• The Mind Flayer will be revealed to be controlling Vecna

• The kids Murray and Robin are transporting will be eaten by Demogorgons

• Jason’s basketball team will be eaten by Demogorgons

• The original 1983 Demogorgon is still alive

DEATH RANKING

I also want to clarify that I think either Eleven will die, Will will die, or both of them will.

The other day i was scrolling tiktok and saw a list of who dies in ST5 volume 1.

Im not sure if this is actually legit but here it is.

MAJOR SPOILER WARNING ->->

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Charles Sinclair--eaten alive by demodogs like bob

Jonathan byers--

William byers--doesnt fully die but is trapped inside vecna's mind

Ted wheeler mauled by demogorgon

Vickie- stuck inside hospital overrun by monsters

Original version (without lightning):

Somewhat low-effort, but I think it’s atmospheric enough to make up for it.

Decided to not draw murder drones for once, so i drew this

Literally only took a pencil and paper towel

What do you think about Steve's Fate in ST5?

#StrangerThings

Before I begin my theory, I want to disclaim: this theory is based on the Mind Flayer being the final villain, and it will feature heavily in Byler, so people who are against Byler and don't consider the Mind Flayer a major villain will find this post extremely uninteresting.

So, I have a theory that Eleven and Hopper will fight 001, and as the fight progresses, Vecna ​​will lose. When 001 realizes he's going to die, he'll show Eleven a vision of Mike confessing his love to Will (the vision will be true). This will break Eleven, and in her anger, she'll finish off Vecna ​​and absorb his powers. And so, victory seems assured, but the Mind Flayer appears in its true form, a 150-meter-tall octopus-like creature, and kills Hopper. Jane is completely broken; she no longer wants to live, her only desire is to kill the Mind Flayer. She forces the entire massive mass of particles into the UpsideDown, and the portal closes forever, but Eleven can't handle the strain and stress and dies.

I'm warning you, this post will be extremely long and will contain many spoilers.

Let's start by reviewing the series' premise, specifically Henry Creel's monologue. I quote: At first, I thought you sent me to my death, to purgatory, but then I realized it was a world that humans hadn't managed to corrupt. I became an explorer, and one day, I discovered the most extraordinary thing of all, the thing that could change everything. It gave me the opportunity to realize my potential, to transcend the boundaries of human form, to become the predator I was born to be. After this, we see Henry transform a living particle storm into the Mind Flayer. Many mistakenly believe Henry created these particles, but no, the Mind Flayer has always existed in this dimension. To summarize, Henry found the Shadow Monster and shaped it, giving it purpose and motivation. I'd also like to point out that Vecna ​​didn't explicitly say he controlled the Shadow. When he said he transcended the human body, he meant he tapped into the hive mind and was able to remotely control the Demogorgons, Demobats, and Tentacles. Their relationship with the Shadow Monster is unknown, but it's safe to say he partially controlled the Meat Flayer.

Now consider the plot of the play "First Shadow," which is also canon. Here, we're clearly told that Geri wasn't always a sadistic, human-hating psychopath; he was corrupted by the Shadow Monster, and the particles infected Henry's blood, giving him abilities. Henry was also shown to have a girlfriend, Patty, whom he tried to protect from Brenner and the Mind Flayer. However, it's not entirely clear whether the Shadow completely possessed Henry or whether Henry was able to resist it (which is unlikely). The play's conclusion: the Mind Flayer is the rightful ruler of Dimension X and the Upside Down, Vecna ​​his victim, whom he corrupted and made his avatar.

Now let's examine the plot of the VR game, which is also canon. It's relatively simple: we're shown that the Shadow Monster and Henry work together, occupying equal positions in the hierarchy. The Mind Flayer gave Gary powers and an army, and Henry became his general. The Mind Flayer needs to take over the world, Henry needs revenge on Jane, and they help each other.

The game's conclusion: Henry and the Flayer are co-rulers of Dimension X and the Upside Down, the Mind Flayer is the source of power and energy, and Henry is a strategist and genius.

Now the final conclusion: who is the real main villain? The answer is both of them. If you kill the Shadow Monster, all the demogorgons, tentacles, demobats, the entire Upside Down, Dimension X, and Vecna ​​will die. But if you kill Vecna ​​and close the portal, the Mind Flayer will no longer be able to enter our world, leaving it without a counterfeit.

In the teaser trailer, there's a scene that shows a portal to the UD spawning mid-air in what looks like the mind-flayer's smoke-form, HOW THE HELL IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT HOW COOL IT LOOKS?!?!!?!

I'm not really sure if the picture is clear but in it you can see a person unconscious. Me (and other people of twitter) have speculated that it is Will Byers as the white shoes seem to be identical to his BTS pictures from a few months ago.... You can also faintly see another person next to him which is probably Joyce.

In the yellow circle, you can see Derek appearing to be 'floating' in the air. His last name is revealed to be Turnbow and the name of the third episode is "The Turnbow Trap". Do you think that Vecna will use Derek as a distraction/use him to threaten the group??

In the blue circle, I don't know if it's just me but it appears as Will Byers is possessed and is in one of Vecna's visions. His body seems still, his hands fall flat and he seems to be looking straight ahead/ slightly up. Maybe he's possesed and maybe was forced by Vecna to make Derek float?? We already have some leaks that Vecna will try and team up with Will this season so it's not unlikely.

I personally also think that the starting clip of the teaser is a scene in which Will comes out in. I think that Joyce is trying to comfort Will by reminding him about how worried she was when he went missing, and that she will love him no matter what. It's kind of a parallel to Jonathan's speech in S4. Will is 99% going to get atleast a coming out scene this season.... (if not the show is going to get even more accusations of queer-baiting)....

MY OPINION ON THE TEASER-

It really built up the stage for S5... especially Noah's screams of "RUN". I've seen people hating on Noah for his acting (and while I don't support his actions as a person) his acting was phenomenal !! I just think that the angle was weird imo.

I think it's kind of clear that 11 is going to be separated from the core 4 for atleast a few episodes this season. Was it just me, or was like the lighting different compared to the first 4 seasons?? I guess it's more dark and melancholy?? Anyways... as a Will Byers stan I was happy with the trailer :))

So... what are your theories and thoughts on the teaser of Season 5?? I would love to hear them in the comments !!

If you're going off solely Season IV, it puts Vecna/Henry as the main antagonist and the Mind Flayer being the greater antagonistic force turned weapon by Vecna/Henry, but the First Shadow's release, it seemed to have flipped, with Henry/Vecna being secondary antagonist and the mind flayer being the main but later comments by the duffer brothers clarified that HENRY was the main antagonist of the show?

How do y'all think it works?

My current theory more or less is that it's a mix- the Mind Flayer's predecessor from Dimension X is what gave Henry his powers, but it was Henry, and his own emotions that created the Mind Flayer that we see in the show- meaning Henry/Vecna IS the main antagonist, while the mind flayer is the overarching antagonistic force, but otherwise secondary antagonist due to being more of a persona of Henry/Vecna.

In Season 5, the gang will fight Vecna, Demogorgons/dogs, bats, and the Mind Flayer. As well as a new monster, the Thesselhydra. They've foreshadowed it since the first dungeons and dragons scene, and in S4 when Nancy is describing the vision from Vecna, she describes a new monster with a gaping mouth. If you look up images of a Thesselhydra, its exactly that.

First, the Mind Flayer has a global goal - the enslavement of the world, Vecna's primary goal is to take revenge on Eleven.

Second, Vecna, being an adult man, could not defeat 6-7 year old Jane. And he could not do this even when he was strengthened by the Upside Down and when he had a whole army of different spawns of Dimension X. The Mind Flayer honestly defeats Eleven in season 3 and almost defeats her in season 2. And after this, someone still thinks that the Mind Flayer serves Vecna ​​and that 001 is stronger than the Shadow Monster.

And third, the Mind Flayer is much more mysterious than Vecna, since we still do not know his history. Also, the Mind Flayer never says anything and he looks like something beyond human understanding. Personally, I found the image of the Shadow Monster more creepy than Vecna.