@BobNewby78

1. Again, doesn't make him a bad person.

2. Um, I think you should rewatch. He let Mike meet El after season 2 because he trusted him. He refused to let him visit El in season 3 for the sole purpose of them not meeting, but yes in season 2 he didn't let them meet because of HNL. But we're talking about season 3, right?

3. Yes he did disrespect El, he ltierally called her stupid. That's called disrespect. And even if Will's annoyed, that doesn't make Mike a bad person.

@Durga1239 1. it doesn’t make him a bad person but it gives Will a valid reason to be annoyed at him.

2. no, I’m talking about season 2 because that’s when Mike assaulted Hopper after finding out that he’s been protecting Eleven.

3. He called El stupid because he felt like she was taking away all his quality time with Mike, so he was upset. I think that’s fairly reasonable. But anyway, I’m not trying to defend Will, I’m just trying to understand why Mike is a bad character.

@BobNewby78

1. Kk

2. Oh okay I thought you were talking about season 3. Okay so about that it's because Mike was really emotional, plus he didn't really hurt Hopper. He was just mad and then he calmed down. I don't think that that's really a good reason to hate on him...

3. Okay... so he disrespected her, even if it's "reasonable" when it's really not but you do you I guess.

@Durga1239 2. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t seriously injure Hopper. The principle of Mike punching him when he did nothing wrong is just bad, whether or not Hopper was badly injured. Hopper did a great thing. Mike should be thanking him for protecting El, not punching him.

3. I’m not saying Will is a good character, I’m just saying that Mike is a bad character

@BobNewby78

Again, he was extremely emotional at the moment, and plus, Hopper hadn't explained to him yet.

Okay... and I have yet to find a valid reason why he's a bad character.

@Durga1239 it still doesn’t give him the right to punch him but ok.

Wdym u don’t see how he’s bad? What about the reasons that I’ve stated? He was bad to Eleven and Will! And also, he was extremely disrespectful to Max for no reason.

If u still like him after all this then idk what to say lol

You do you ig

Anyway this arguement is gettting kinda pointless so im kinda done

Still haven't gotten a valid reason as to why he was unjustifiedly bad to El and Will. As for Max, she replaced Eleven in the Party, which is why he was annoyed at her, but okay, I understand that that's not good of course, but it's nowhere near enough to call him a bad character imo. Besides, let's not forget that Max was stupidly annoying in season 2.

@Durga1239 1. i already said. He lied to Eleven, was a bad influence on her, and completely shut down Will. 2. Max was only annoying when she felt that Dustin and Lucas were stalking her, which they kinda were. Once she got to know them, she was very kind and understanding. She wasn’t trying to replace eleven. She was simply another member of the party. And even after she got to know them really well, Mike was still extremely rude to her, and kept rubbing it in that she wasn’t post of their party

1. All of which I already said why they're not valid reasons to hate on him.

2. Um, no, she was annoying after she joined the Party, like refusing to let the boys have a private discussion.

Also, I thought you were "kinda done"?

@Durga1239 it wasn’t that she wouldn’t let the boys have a private discussion. It was just that she just joined the party, and they didn’t let her into their conversation, which is an extremely annoying thing to do, especially for someone who just joined their group. I honestly felt really bad for Max in that scene because of how left out she must have felt.

Anyway I think we should just agree to disagree bc this discussion has been going on for WAY too long